What do you think about heightism being worse than racism

[zen zen]

So this whole argument started in tiktok I think? From the K shami dude where he made a video about how heightism might be worse than racism and he got a bunch of backlash for this opinion
Context:Im sure he meant heightism being worse in the modern sense not fully historically since racism was much more systematic back in the 1800's and other times where it was a lot more common for racism to happen the guy is probably talking about the modern world where if u are racist you will get tons of backlash and will get consequences in real life
His point:
The guy is saying that heightism is worse than racism currently in the modern world his argument is that if you are racist now you will get real consequences and backlash from ur family friends and just overall and may lose ur job or if you're in school get suspension or expulsion whereas in heightism it's treated as normal heightism affects daily life too not just relationships you can get bullied for ur height in general and height can also make u seem more confident even if you're not due to the halo effect and for relationships as you may know it's getting worse and worse , height is one of the few metrics where women AND men consider the ideal to be in the 90-99 percentiles whereas in other metrics the ideal is considered just above average
What I think: if we're talking strictly modern terms I'd say it's pretty close arguably I think racism is worse but it's pretty close racism still kills people VERY rarely but they do and heightism is close because it affects almost all of the population of men that are in their teens or older the reason I think it's close is because heightism affects men globally and racism affects people but not to their global standard when's the last time youve seen a girl or guy saying Ill only date (blank) race racism still kills people and is very bad so I think it's worse but heightism is pretty close in the modern world

 

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both are bad and this is coming from me

 

[Flint]

I think for the argument to work as it being "worse", it would have to minimize the modern version of racism completely, which isn't how reality is.

Racism wasn't systematic, it is systematic. It wasn't more common back then, it's still common. To say murder based off of racism "rarely happens" isn't really true, it's just not to the degree it used to be. But it doesn't mean it rarely happens, it means it's less likely to happen than it used to be.

Heightism rarely dictates a person's fundamental civil liberties, and racism is still institutional in many countries.

This concept confuses overt racism with covert racism, and confuses social media vitality with real life accountability. Millions of people experience racism daily, across the world, with no change, no help, no social standing, because it's not being recorded and shared on social media.

Just because people say something online, that doesn't mean if someone saw it in real life they'd say something, because in most cases people will remain silent. Anyone who's spent time in the work place will know this because even if you're against racism, there's going to be moments where you stay silent because you don't want to get involved. It's unfortunately very common.

Unfortunately, body shaming in general is just common. Fat people are shamed all the time for being fat. Skinny people are shamed all the time for being too thin. Women are shamed for having too much hair and men are shamed for having too little hair. If you have any slight deformatiy, you will be made aware of it for the rest of your life because of people commenting on it.

If someone said to a balding man he looked unprofessional because of his thinning hair, I promise you your coworkers would go "Hold on that's rude" vs when someone says someone's hair braids needs to be removed because it's unprofessional for the work place, you're not going to hear anything really.

With that being said, you can talk about heightism and how it effects millions of people (especially men) without comparing it to another social issue. They're just so completely different issues that it's almost comical to compare the two.

But heightism is an actual issue and will unfortunately probably get worse as time goes on. and because it's so socially acceptable, it's hard to do anything against it without being laughed at.

 

[zen zen]

I think for the argument to work as it being "worse", it would have to minimize the modern version of racism completely, which isn't how reality is.

Racism wasn't systematic, it is systematic. It wasn't more common back then, it's still common. To say murder based off of racism "rarely happens" isn't really true, it's just not to the degree it used to be. But it doesn't mean it rarely happens, it means it's less likely to happen than it used to be.

Heightism rarely dictates a person's fundamental civil liberties, and racism is still institutional in many countries.

This concept confuses overt racism with covert racism, and confuses social media vitality with real life accountability. Millions of people experience racism daily, across the world, with no change, no help, no social standing, because it's not being recorded and shared on social media.

Just because people say something online, that doesn't mean if someone saw it in real life they'd say something, because in most cases people will remain silent. Anyone who's spent time in the work place will know this because even if you're against racism, there's going to be moments where you stay silent because you don't want to get involved. It's unfortunately very common.

Unfortunately, body shaming in general is just common. Fat people are shamed all the time for being fat. Skinny people are shamed all the time for being too thin. Women are shamed for having too much hair and men are shamed for having too little hair. If you have any slight deformatiy, you will be made aware of it for the rest of your life because of people commenting on it.

If someone said to a balding man he looked unprofessional because of his thinning hair, I promise you your coworkers would go "Hold on that's rude" vs when someone says someone's hair braids needs to be removed because it's unprofessional for the work place, you're not going to hear anything really.

With that being said, you can talk about heightism and how it effects millions of people (especially men) without comparing it to another social issue. They're just so completely different issues that it's almost comical to compare the two.

But heightism is an actual issue and will unfortunately probably get worse as time goes on. and because it's so socially acceptable, it's hard to do anything against it without being laughed at.

Both are terrible issues i agree with what you said i think what kshami was trying to do is just talk about it in the dating sense and for that i think heightism is worse than racism but if we go to actual systametic issues and everyday life both are big issues but racism is worse I would say when these issues are actually happening irl there's a low chance of people actually defending either depending on the country eitherway all of these are gonna happen in ur mind subconsciously the best we can do is not insult people over it which is hard in of itself. I've seen this new trend on tiktok calling woman who have hip dips "hiplets" to make them feel how short men feel and i think that's both stupid ngl it's just gonna be a cycle of insults rather than actually stopping both they insult eachother back with new names. Body shaming , heightism , racism and lookism whatever it is the most we can do is not insult people over it or not make them insecure over it since our minds will always subconsciously register what a person looks like how tall they are and if they're fat

 

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I think for the argument to work as it being "worse", it would have to minimize the modern version of racism completely, which isn't how reality is.

Racism wasn't systematic, it is systematic. It wasn't more common back then, it's still common. To say murder based off of racism "rarely happens" isn't really true, it's just not to the degree it used to be. But it doesn't mean it rarely happens, it means it's less likely to happen than it used to be.

With that being said, you can talk about heightism and how it effects millions of people (especially men) without comparing it to another social issue. They're just so completely different issues that it's almost comical to compare the two.

As @Flint and I are both American, I imagine our experiences are heavily rooted in de jure vs de facto concepts, especially with race. We just observed Juneteenth here, a holiday celebrating the day slaves were told they were free. Not the day they were freed, but they day they were notified, because even after the government abolished slavery, the people of Texas collectively agreed to just not tell them for two and a half years that they were free.

At the end of the day, a piece of paper signed by the president didn't really do anything until people were forced to change. I think this is where comparison of the two topics can get dangerous. I've seen some reactive things some guys have said about how women deserve to suffer (or at least be denied happiness) for not being immediately attracted to a short dude.

I will (gladly) say that I think plantation owners deserved to have the army come in to force them to free their slaves. They needed something unpleasant to change their actions because their perspectives weren't changing. I don't think it's safe to have a similar mindset with women needing external unpleasantness to change their actions if their perspectives won't change.

That said, even after the slaves were freed there was a century of laws criminalizing black people for being unemployed, speaking to women, or being outside after sundown. If short, there can be barriers to entry for many aspects of life, but not criminalization. Exclusion is terrible, but it's not active targeting.